Monthly Archives: March 2014

1199S vs. CBR600RR: Between displacement, handling, and riders

Can a superbike be made to handle as good as a supersport?

Recently I had a good chance to analyse the track performance of a Ducati 1199S Panigale and 2012 CBR600RR with a couple of control variables. This is a very good opportunity to objectively pinpoint how the two bikes are different, and also how the two riders are different.

Both bikes were ridden at equal comfort levels with enough safety margin (i.e., “nothing to win, everything to lose”) in the range of 1:16 to 1:22 around Pukekohe Raceway track, which is in the upper medium range for streetbikes.
Some typical lap records for comparisons are 1:05 (V8 Supercars), 1:10 (national level NZ V8), 1:15 (Toyota TR86 racing), and a National-level superbike guy who does around 1:08 regularly.

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Analysis was done using QStarz LT-Q6000 GPS datalogger and QRacing software.
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Pukekohe – 29/03/2014

Good day at the track today.
But I need better brake pads…that CBR600RR keeps outbraking me at the backstraight.

Best today was 1:16.03.
Best theoretical according to Qracing was 1:14.7 as I was improving the trail braking into turn 5 and better drive exiting turn 6 toward the end of the day. So, 1:14 is within the realm of possibilities. Very happy!

$99 Panigale rearset from China

Some photos of $99 panigale rearsets from Ebay.
It is not bad, and 2 months on it still good.

The pair is about 250grams heavier than the stock rearsets.

I’ve changed the unknown-quality footpeg bolts with 12.9 grade high tensile steel bolts for peace of mind.

And here are how it looks like with rider on.
It certainly makes the position a lot more natural with DP comfort seat, since it raises the feet the same amount as the extra thickness of the seat compared to standard 1199S seat.



And comparison with CBR600RR with Sato rearsets. notice how the panigale’s rearset seems more backward (Typical ducati, although a lot less so than my old 848) and not as high. I personally would prefer 1 inch higher pegs, but it seems these Chinese rearsets adjustability follows the mainstream rearsets similar to other brands in the market.
my brother (who owns the 600 in this photo) unsurprisingly shares my view in this.

A few problems:
1. I had to change the rear brake light sensor to sensor-equipped banjo bolt since the original ducati sensor thread does not match the one on the rearset. banjo bolt was $5 from used R125 Yamaha (with 90 degree cable) and was easy to splice and put on. Bolt length is 10mm, pitch is 1mm

2. Rear brake plunger is slightly off / offset from the rear brake master. This does not cause any movement issues when using the brake though.

3. Metal gearshifter has a ribbed shape, and that hurts my toes. Rubber shift boot (cheap as) and a cable tie solve this issue.